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What are your thoughts on R Kelly after the documentary was revealed

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There is currently a petition with over 100,000 signatures calling for R Kelly to be muted. Do you still listen to his music after finding out what he did?

 

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2 hours ago, jonjones229 said:

There is currently a petition with over 100,000 signatures calling for R Kelly to be muted. Do you still listen to his music after finding out what he did?

 

My answer to this is, what the hell took people so long? He has been involved with young girls for 25 years. I was in high school in the 90s when he married Aaliyah. She was 15! O_O

It is ridiculous to think that people overlook sexual allegations because they like someone's music. The same thing happened with Michael Jackson.

At this point, it doesn't matter that a miniseries about his obsession with young girls is on television.

Anyway, people were stupid were not caring about this nearly three decades ago, so why the outrage now?

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Normally, i try to not judge people I don't know who are thrown into the public eye due to controversy. I hate the idea of it because if a court hasn't tried it, it could very well be revenge, a hit piece. I don't like to assume either way if someone is guilty of a crime or not. I'm not on the jury. 

To me, the exceptions come when you have not one allegation, but dozens. 40+ allegations is pretty damning. Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein and this asshole...I think assuming that they are rapists and abusive assholes is not wildly speculative at this point. 

 

 

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To answer the OP's question, I got bored with his music before the first allegations started popping up.  It was nothing against him specifically; I'm just not a big fan of R&B, or most music written in the last 200 years.  Give me Brahms, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, and Chopin and I'm good.

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Who is this guy, and why should he matter to me? I’ve been hearing R Kelly jokes for years, and I only really recently bothered to look him up. Comedians had been joking about Weinstein long before the story broke into the “news cycle.” To me one of the most interesting things about humans is how easily we can delude ourselves. It is easy to overlook that which you do not wish to see, and even more so if your income is dependent on not seeing.

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R Kelly was a singer back in the 1990s, popular in America's R&B genre, but I don't know how popular he was abroad.  As far as "why should he matter," he doesn't.  These days, he's a washed-up singer who's only famous for getting too friendly with young girls.

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I've heard the name "R. Kelley" and I recall that he beat a statutory rap charge a few years back because the plaintiff either recanted her testimony or withdrew charges.  I had the impression at the time that something sordid was being covered up, but I lost track of it with all the scandals de jour.  This is coming up again now because someone made a movie about it? 

Why?

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o.k., here's the backstory I remember:  

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jimderogatis/parents-told-police-r-kelly-is-keeping-women-in-a-cult

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He was last tried in 2008 in Illinois, where he was acquitted on 14 charges of making child pornography. The case, which took a record six and a half years to go to trial in Chicago, focused only on a single videotape that prosecutors alleged showed him having sex with a 14-year-old girl. (While he was a reporter at the Chicago Sun-Times, this reporter received the tape anonymously and turned it over to the police; called by Kelly's attorneys to testify, he took the Fifth Amendment rather than revealing sources.)

The trial, however, excluded claims made by girls or their parents that alleged Kelly regularly abused his position of fame and influence to pursue illegal sexual relationships with underage girls — which has also been the subject of a dozen or more civil lawsuits against Kelly that were settled out of court with cash payments from Kelly. The girls signed nondisclosure agreements when they accepted the payments. Also excluded was evidence of Kelly’s marriage in 1994 to his then-15-year-old protégé, Aaliyah, for whom he wrote the album Age Ain’t Nothing But a Number.

Chicago attorney Susan E. Loggans declined to say how many settlements she has negotiated with Kelly before lawsuits were ever filed, but she said they were “numerous,” and recently included one for a 17-year-old aspiring singer from Chicago’s West Side who is said to have been part of Kelly’s inner circle. Loggans gave no other details, citing attorney-client privilege and the terms of the settlement.

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On 1/16/2019 at 9:04 AM, jonjones229 said:

There is currently a petition with over 100,000 signatures calling for R Kelly to be muted. Do you still listen to his music after finding out what he did?

Similarly to some other participants here, I wasn't aware of this musician's existence until a day ago, when The Guardian (I read foreign newspapers) mentioned this scandal. What would 'muted' signify in this particular case? If anyone want to abstain from going on certain concerts or abstain from attending certain art exhibitions, it is their right, and it is one way to express concern over any particular musician or artist. If people want to demonstrate peacefully outside any of his concerts, it is their right. 

I think it is a bad idea to forbid anyone else from listening to certain music or watch certain art. For example: The German 19th century composer Richard Wagner was an  anti-semite, which is a very nasty and ridiculous opinion, but his operas keep a high quality as music. The Swedish 19th century novelist and dramatist August Strindberg was a terrible person, but some of his plays are still interesting to watch. Sometimes it is probably better to separate an artist and his/her work from each other. If this "R Kelly" person's music keep a high level of quality, people will keep listening to him in the 22th century, and if his music is bad he and his works will be forgotten.

To forbid certain music, art or literature is the road to totalitarianism. It has happened before. Peek into books about the Third Reich (Entartete Kunst und Musik) and the Soviet Union (samizdat literature). More surprisingly, in the 1920's, UK behaved in a similar way with the novel Lady Chatterly's Lover, but recanted in 1960, after a trial in court.

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On 1/18/2019 at 2:16 PM, Hialmar said:

Similarly to some other participants here, I wasn't aware of this musician's existence until a day ago, when The Guardian (I read foreign newspapers) mentioned this scandal. What would 'muted' signify in this particular case? If anyone want to abstain from going on certain concerts or abstain from attending certain art exhibitions, it is their right, and it is one way to express concern over any particular musician or artist. If people want to demonstrate peacefully outside any of his concerts, it is their right. 

I think it is a bad idea to forbid anyone else from listening to certain music or watch certain art. For example: The German 19th century composer Richard Wagner was an  anti-semite, which is a very nasty and ridiculous opinion, but his operas keep a high quality as music. The Swedish 19th century novelist and dramatist August Strindberg was a terrible person, but some of his plays are still interesting to watch. Sometimes it is probably better to separate an artist and his/her work from each other. If this "R Kelly" person's music keep a high level of quality, people will keep listening to him in the 22th century, and if his music is bad he and his works will be forgotten.

To forbid certain music, art or literature is the road to totalitarianism. It has happened before. Peek into books about the Third Reich (Entartete Kunst und Musik) and the Soviet Union (samizdat literature). More surprisingly, in the 1920's, UK behaved in a similar way with the novel Lady Chatterly's Lover, but recanted in 1960, after a trial in court.

Let me make myself abundantly clear, I never once knowingly listened to his music, and there is no reason to change that now. 😜

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